Removing old Rubrics
Hi folks, I have been new to the whole rubrics thing and have been setting up test rubrics so I can familiarise myself with it all. Only thing is, we use Canvas in our college and when I go to attach a rubric I can never find the one I want as I have numerous rubrics that are of no use and I would like to delete. Any ideas??
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Diane Quinn It is possible to "star" the rubrics that you use most, so that you can identify them easily, however I'm not sure if this is possible via Canvas. I would recommend dropping our support team at email at tiisupport@turnitin.com for confirmation.
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I have been using turnitin rubrics for years. As a result I have A LOT of rubrics I've created. It is extremely frustrating that it is nearly impossible to delete or organize old rubrics. This is a feature I would really like to see added. It's theoretically possible to delete old rubrics by opening the rubric managing, selecting one, and choose delete, but sometimes the delete option is grayed out and inaccessible. So very annoying.
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Diane Mulligan I can imagine this is very frustrating! Do you find the ability to "star" your frequently used rubrics helps any?
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Gill Rowell I did not find that feature. We use Blackbaud, not Canvas, and as far as I can tell there is no way to star a rubric, in our LMS or in turnitin.
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Diane Mulligan I'm not sure if this functionality is available via Blackboard, you would need to contact the Support team for confirmation.
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Being able to "star" a rubric or form is still not an adequate substitute for deleting old rubrics and reducing the electronic clutter. It is particularly inconvenient to have to create new names for updated rubrics and sort through them to be sure you chose the correct one as editing existing rubrics/forms is not an option. Like any obsolete file, one should be able to delete outdated, unusable rubrics. This is generally standard with any other software/program/platform that I have experience using. Terribly annoying and a waste of one of a teacher's most valuable commodities - time. It certainly motivates one to consider and use alternatives to Turnitin.
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Donnie C I have passed your concerns on to our Product Manager and unfortunately there are no immediate plans to change this functionality. However in the long term we are working on new grading workflows which will provide a lot more flexibility.
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The inability to delete old rubrics or pre-uploaded rubrics is a serious oversight of the developer. As has been mentioned above, just about every other software program and platform has this ability. The time it takes to scroll through dozens of rubrics that I will never use is annoying and a waste of time. To the developers: please update this as soon as possible. This doesn't seem like a difficult change to make.
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Tommy Romano Thank you for your feedback. I will certainly pass on to our Product Manager.
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I have been asking for this option (to delete old/outdated rubrics) at least one a year, for the last eight years.
I have over 75 old rubrics on my list. More than half of them are for a prep that I no longer teach - and haven't for five years now. I've posted this exact topic/complaint on so many Turnitin.com support pages. Turnitin.com has transitioned through at least three support forum versions ... this is the third iteration for me.
Back when it was on Roadmap there were thousands of comments and requests for this feature. But then you all move to a new forum and we lose all of that momentum.
Staring rubrics - which rarely works in my case - doesn't do anything to organize them. I still have to scroll through them all ... just looking for a star now.
It is extremely frustrating that the "Product Managers" continue to ignore this request that teachers have been pleading for, for years.
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Shannon Juhan I appreciate this is frustrating for you, and I have once again passed your concerns on to our Product Manager. We are working on new grading workflows which will provide more flexibility and I really hope your feedback will be taken on board.
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Gill Rowell could you please give us an update on this? My institution has just started using Turnitin and I have been creating trial rubrics for different assessment to assess functionality-I had no idea that each iteration could not be deleted which is somewhat ridiculous given that there is a "Delete this rubric" option present in the menu! Neither it seems can a rubric be edited (same issue with greyed out option) so any test is forced to create a new one; surely this makes no sense for the application's file management let alone the user experience?
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Gareth James I completely understand your frustration. I spoke to our Product Manager about this earlier this week, she told me tells me that whilst we won't be making any changes to rubric and QM management today, we will be making updates to both when we start to introduce the new essay experience.
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Gill Rowell Thank you for the prompt response-when will the new essay experience be introduced?
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Gareth James I thought that might be your next question, and I'm trying to get a rough date for you.
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Gareth James Having spoken to our Product Manager, I think realistically we are looking at 2022 for this.
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Gill Rowell thank you for the honest reply, but it does little to give confidence that the concerns that Donnie C , Shannon Juhan, Diane Mulligan and others have been clearly expressing for years are taken seriously. It fundamentally impacts on our productivity and willingness to try and refresh our teaching and assessment, which given the capabilities of the application elsewhere is a crying shame, but then as we are users, not decision making customers, there is nothing we can do-it is very disappointing.
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Gill Rowell Almost half a year has passed. When can we have the new feature where we can delete the old rubrics? It is really frustrating. I have detached the rubrics from all the old assignments. I still can't delete the rubrics.
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To be fair to our colleague, it's been well and truly over half a year. I believe it's been several full years. It seems as though this option has been given up on. Gill Rowell - Have the engineers outlined why it's such a difficult feature to implement?
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Matt Bartlett I agree, this has been asked for for years. I wonder, though, if Frankie is referring to Gill's earlier comment of "2022" - when it's (scarily) already over 1/3 gone. :(
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Also, thinking about it from the longer term & students accessing older assignments (which we allow students to do till they leave); I'd prefer the older rubrics to be archived, so they're accessible should they be needed - but also retained in the way they were used at the time, so there are no discrepancies going forward.
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Emma Duke-Williams I agree there would have to be some kind of archiving system. Honestly even just a folder/subfolder, or some other way of categorizing would do the job. It seems as though the product development team has some reason to believe that competitors (Canvas, perhaps) won't make similar quality of life changes to the product.
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Blackboard was once the most commonly used LMS but today it has fallen way behind its competitors. Moodle has updates almost every half a year. Brightspace and Canvas constantly ask the users and stakeholders for suggestions. Blackboard has created this community to seek feedback but it seems all our feedback haven fallen on deaf ears. Matt Bartlett I like your question. I too wonder why it is so difficult to implement this feature. It seems I will just have to create many different versions of the rubric for the same module and name it Version 1, 2, 3 and so on.
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Matt Bartlett Frankie Yee Emma Duke-Williams It's very timely that you are requesting updates on this feature. I will be contacting everyone on this thread via email regarding upcoming changes.
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I'd like to echo the general sentiment of frustration expressed in this thread. Gill Rowell would it be possible for you to outline for us the obstacles to updating the interface? It seems like there is something that is preventing that change from being implemented. Is it just that the resources are being expended elsewhere? Has the product management team given up on that project?
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Matt Bartlett I am speaking to the Product Manager about this, and hope to get an update for you as soon as I can. I can assure you I do understand your frustrations and pass on all feedback to the developers.
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I agree that it's an update that's long overdue. However, I can also see why there could be potential issues deleting/ editing older rubrics that have been used, as older comments may then not make sense.
I'd also agree that it's a pain if you test them a lot. However, in the same way that we can hide certain sets of quick marks, would be useful if we could do that too, both for those that are ours & no longer needed & the default ones that you've supplied. [For the latter, it could be handy if we could hide them as administrators, for those that aren't relevant for most staff e.g. the US school focussed ones) -
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Hello Gill , I would like to add my voice to those asking for the option to delete or hide old rubrics. It's making it very difficult to use Tii at this point as I have used so many rubrics over the years. Thank you
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Jane Heath I appreciate this is making your use of Turnitin extremely unwieldy! I will raise these concerns with the Product Manager once again.
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Gill Rowell Many thanks
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Gill Rowell - Yes this issue has been referred to product managers for many years, and I recall about a year or two ago someone saying it was going to be implemented then it didn't happen.
Clearly there are some underlying reasons for this. It would be much better for a clear explanation to be provided on a place on the website where it is easy to find.
Even better would be an actual solution to the problem though. Thanks :)
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Julian Hopkins I do feel your frustration and I can assure you that we are looking into making changes to the Rubric Manager in future.
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